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Смуфы и длинношерстные салюки - результаты опроса
alnaqawa: Где-то около года назад я в числе многих других владельцев смуфов получила огромный опросный лист. Сarole Tipler, заводчица из Новой Зеландии (питомник Al Yaman), собирала таким образом данные о сходстве и различиях смуфов и длинношерстных салюк. Результаты этого опроса она изложила на недавно прошедшем Фестивале салюки в Великобритании. Сегодня я получила результаты опроса по е-мейлу и попросила у нее разрешения на то, чтобы поделиться ими с другими российскими салючниками. Если есть интерес, то по получении разрешения могу выложить на форум.
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anahita: Интерес есть! Будет разрешение, будем рады почитать! У нас смуфов нет нам опросник не присылали
sergey: Нам тоже интересно!Надеюсь на русском?
Ира: Очень интересно.
alnaqawa: Ну вообще-то весь материал по-английски... Если разрешит автор - буду переводить, хотя бы самые интересные места.
Ира: Дак можно и по "ангильски" (если можно) .
alnaqawa: Йес! Только что пришел мейл с разрешением на публикацию!! Вот сделаю перевод по работе своей и начну вывешивать "по-аглицки" сначала, а потом переводить.
alnaqawa: Начинаю публиковать по частям. ------------------------------------------ Carole Tipler (Salukis Al-Yaman) SMOOTH V FEATHERED The Breed Standard says (discounting coat) they are the same. Is this correct? When Diana Allan asked me to speak at the Festival of the Saluki Symposium in Oxford, England and told me what my topic would be I must confess my heart sank. In fact I went into decline for a few months during which I wracked my brains as to what I could possibly do to become informed on such a subject. I scoured publications to see if there was an existing authority. Alas, there was not. I went through old magazines, explored Gail Goodman’s and Sir Terence Clark’s published works, some old articles and some new. It simply did not help! I then resolved the only thing I could do was go to the people who would know – the owners of smooth and feathered Salukis. And so I did. I compiled a questionnaire that was as comprehensive as possible. I’m afraid it turned out rather huge! I tried out a draft copy on my long-suffering friend, Graham Bond in New Zealand. He made some initial rude comments but entered into the spirit of things and added to my list of questions. I then sent a copy to Jack Helder in Michigan to check and yet more questions were added! Finally we got it right! I sent it to the Society for the Preservation of the Desert Bred Saluki email group and sought the members’ help. They were fantastic in their response. Members sent the questionnaire to their friends, “show people” were canvassed, others asked their contacts to help. It was marvellous and I make note here my sincere thanks for such valuable assistance that I received from those of you who responded. In total I received 46 responses. These came from New Zealand, Australia, America, Canada, Israel, England, Scandinavia and other parts of Europe. I found that on average, the respondents had been involved with Salukis in excess of 25 years, some for considerably longer, some for less. Many had lived with a large number of Salukis over the years and this included both coat varieties. I believe the credibility of my study is secure.
alnaqawa: To set the scene I asked what the respondent had first, a smooth or a feathered. Interestingly enough, all but four started off with feathered. How my respondents came to get a smooth was also varied. Many said they simply went to get a puppy and came away with a smooth. Some intentionally choose a smooth which included one who suffered allergies with other dogs but not the smooth. Some just fell in love and had to have one! I divided my questionnaire into sections relating to structure and conformation, temperament, health, exhibition/peer approval, performance in various activities and in the field and finally companionship. Here is a summary of the answers I received. In relation to structure and conformation, my questions explored any specific differences in structure, the question of slight feathering on the tail of the smooth, muscular development and overall appearance. A number of respondents commented that the shoulders of smoothes tended to be more upright whilst others commented that because of the lack of hair smooth salukis are far more transparent than their feathered counterparts, i.e. nothing can be hidden. Most respondents submitted there was no difference in structure between the two varieties, any differences being familiar and not because of coat. With regards to the slight feathering often found on the smooth variety, the majority of my respondents agreed that this was the norm and not a rarity. Some suggested that the thickness or otherwise of what is commonly known as “brush” (because of its difference in texture to “feathering”) related to climate, whilst others commented that they believed it had something to do with the particular line the smooth came from. It was observed that some smooth salukis have it, some don’t whilst others lose and gain it during different seasons. In respect of muscular development, most respondents claimed there were no differences between the two varieties. The general belief was that muscles were more visible on smooth salukis because of their particular coat texture. It was observed that differences in muscular development are often relative to different lines, it being possible that some smooths come from lines with more genetic predisposition for muscle. Different exercise regimes, of course, have to be significant. Some respondents suggested that the muscles of the smooth seemed to be more rounded than the feathered but only two believed there was a difference between the two varieties, both believing muscle on smooths were the more defined.
alnaqawa: My final series of questions in this section related to overall appearance. From the respondents comments it is apparent that any perceived differences between the two varieties relate more to coat camouflage in respect of feathereds. As one respondent observes, a beautiful saluki is a beautiful saluki regardless of coat, another, a good saluki is a good saluki with or without coat and yet another that the saluki is a superior hunting dog and that coat has nothing to do with the ability to run down a hare! Two respondents stated in their experience smooths with desert bloodlines often had shorter tails. Almost everyone agreed there were no differences in structure, muscular development and the overall appearance of the two varieties, only in relation to that dictated by different bloodlines. My next series of questions related to temperament and affection. The responses I received were mixed with 13 respondents observing differences. These ranged from smooths being more “cuddly”, having better leadership qualities, being more gentle and sensitive, more feline, more biddable, more happy and friendly, more tactile and more clingy than their feathered friends. Some observed that their smooth salukis are quick to love everyone where their feathered takes more time. An observation made by some was the reason smooths may be more cuddly was because they sought body heat more than their feathered peer group. There were some respondents who observed that they had experienced distinct differences in temperament in relation to desert-bred smooth v feathered salukis but conceded such differences related more to desert-bred v western-bred rather than coat variety. The larger proportion of responses was that there were no differences because of coat, any differences in temperament being the result of upbringing, relative lines and family.
alnaqawa: I then asked whether my respondents had observed whether one variety was more extraverted or introverted than the other. Some respondents believe that feathered salukis are more aloof or introverted than smooths but most claimed there was no difference because of variety, it all came down to socialisation, upbringing and families. As one respondent commented, all salukis have separate personalities as do humans. I then asked the question whether there were differences noted in affection between the sexes of each variety. The consensus appeared to be there are no differences in this respect. Some agreed there could be differences between the two sexes but not related to coat variety. I received some amusing comments with my query concerning possible differences regarding obedience with the two varieties. These comments ranged from the observation that all salukis tend to have cloth ears, one respondent’s smooth simply not wanting to learn his name, amazement that there could be obedience in either variety and finally that there were no differences as both varieties are equally rotten! One respondent observed that obedience is more to do with the hunting instinct in that if either variety didn’t feel they have satisfied their hunting instinct, the handler was expected to wait until they did! An observation was made that smooth salukis tended to be more obedient and trainable, particularly in the case of those salukis imported from the desert. It was, however, generally agreed that coat variety did not contribute to any differences in degree of obedience. Further questions explored differences in attitude towards strangers, sensitivity to noise, unfamiliar surroundings, young children, domestic animals and in how the two varieties play.
alnaqawa: There was mixed opinions regarding attitude towards strangers, some respondents believing smooths to be more outgoing with strangers whilst others had not noticed a difference. This was similar to the response regarding sensitivity to noise with only two respondents having noticed that smooths may be more sensitive. It was noted by one respondent that the closer to the country of origin their dogs were, the more observant they became whilst another remarked they believed smooths were more prone to explore and investigate. In how the two varieties play observations were made that smooths play very active and wild, they tend to go for the neck while the feathered go for the legs, and that they tend to play rougher and use their feet more in play. Other observations were that there were no differences. Finally, with regards to any differences in attitude towards domestic animals it was generally felt differences might be found in prey-drive rather than anything dictated by coat. No differences were found in relation to children. I then asked questions pertaining to health and other loosely related subjects. I asked about specific health issues, susceptibility to injury, tolerance to pain, sexual and parental issues, eating habits, age and sensitivity to climatic conditions. This section was quite interesting. One respondent reported more toe injuries with their smooths, others deafness and an increased likelihood of fatty tumours in old age and another whose smooth has never had an ear infection. Then when asked whether one variety is more prone to injury than the other, most respondents agreed that smooths tend to be more prone to injury and feel this is directly related to their coat, i.e. no undercoat thereby affording less protection from cats and abrasions. Some believe smooths have a thinner skin than the feathered variety. They also noted that injuries and scars are more apparent on smooths because of their lack of a dense coat texture. When exploring tolerance to pain, one respondent observed that all Salukis scream bloody murder if they are injured. Another observed that Salukis and sight hounds in general tend to be stoic and another told me that they believe a smooth panics more easily. Then there was the respondent who pointed out aren’t they all big babies if they catch a toenail and complete saints when they have blood dripping from an open wound!
alnaqawa: When looking at any differences in sexual precociousness, most respondents believed there were no differences but five respondents believed that smooths became sexually mature earlier and the female much more precocious than her feathered counterpart. I asked a series of questions regarding whelping and parenthood and it was generally found there were no significant differences, only differences found in one saluki as opposed to another, i.e. regurgitation by parents, defences of puppies and such like. Observations were made that some smooth males tended to play with their puppies more, another whose smooth male adopted his parental role more quickly whilst other respondents found their smooth males to be more aloof to puppies than their feathered males. It appeared clear there was no significant difference overall, that each was an individual. When exploring whether there were any differences in respect of the aging process, deafness was mentioned, also that smooths do not grow fat like some of their feathereds, nor do they grow “fuzzies” if neutered but it was generally felt, once again, there were no real differences between the two varieties. Relating to differences in eating habits it was felt by some that smooths are better eaters, are “sharks”, “gutty”, more possessive of their food, eat faster but will sometimes share. There were others who believed their feathereds were more possessive of food but in the main it was felt that this was another behaviour directly related to family, upbringing, individual personality but not coat. My final questions in this section related to sensitivity to heat or cold and in relation to weather extremes. When asked whether the respondents had noticed any differences in sensitivity to heat or cold almost two-thirds said yes, they definitely believed smooths were more sensitive to the cold. Others believed there was no difference and one observed the smooth is clever at getting their owner to believe they’re colder when in fact they’re being saluki clever! Instances were described of smooths requiring to be coated more, seeking greater warmth in bedding, being more prone to frost-bite, being miserable in cold conditions etc. Observations were made that whilst smooths dislike cold, they are able to tolerate heat better than the feathered variety who are less concerned about the cold but melted when it became hot. It was generally felt that the reason for such sensitivity was clearly coat related – a smooth has less hair whilst a feathered has more hair and a denser coat which acts as an obvious protector.
alnaqawa: The replies to the final question in this section reflected the thoughts in the previous one; that smooths can tolerate and sometimes enjoy heat but dislike cold whilst feathereds are happier in the cold and dislike, often avoiding, the heat. One respondent observed that their smooth played longer in the snow because it takes longer for snow to pack between their toes, whilst another talked about their feathereds getting painful “snowballs” between their toes. The conclusion was that very few salukis, feathered or smooths, enjoy weather extremes! My next series of questions related to the exhibition of the two varieties as well as peer support, or otherwise, for smooth saluki owners and exhibitors. Only one respondent told me that they didn’t show their Salukis. All others told me yes, four saying irregularly. My first question asked if there had been any noticeable differences on how each variety showed themselves. It was generally agreed there were no differences between the two varieties any differences being due to temperament. The responses were passionate following my next question with regards to judging. All respondents had an experience to relate in illustrating that smooth salukis are viewed differently by judges in particular those not associated with the breed (i.e. All Breed Judges). Comments ranged from not understanding the breed standard, not bothering to read it, not being impartial, not believing them to be salukis, the desire for hair (one Judge asked a respondent when the saluki was going to grow coat, another commented “the smooth had to be better to beat a feathered because of all that pretty hair”) and reports of more than one All Breeds judge saying he couldn’t give the smooth an award as he couldn’t visualise it with feathers! There were more horror stories concerning how each variety is viewed by some Judges. The consensus was clearly that All Breeds judges generally would not award a smooth saluki. On the plus side, however, many respondents commented that they had noticed the situation had started to change in recent years. Breeder Judges tend to show no differentiation (thank goodness) and some non-breed judges are at least seriously considering awarding a smooth saluki, albeit with greater scrutiny than their feathered counterparts. The responses to the question whether any differences in attitude had been noticed towards smooth or feathered salukis by the respondent’s peer group was also very interesting many experiencing negativity towards their having a smooth by their fellow saluki owners. Statements ranged from open dislike of smooths, their being poor relatives to the feathered variety, suspicion as to their purity, belief they were a different breed and so on. One respondent heard a comment: “I can appreciate his quality and how he exemplifies the breed standard but I wouldn’t want to live with him” while another “who would want that!” But once again, it appears, times are achanging and smooths are becoming generally more accepted by more saluki people, some of whom are obtaining a smooth in preference. I think it is clear, then, that until recently there have been huge differences in Judges’ behaviour (generally) and peer approval but there are indications now that the situation is improving with the increased popularity of the smooth saluki.
anahita: Когда же будет по руски? все понимаем? но ???
sergey: Да ,переводчик в компьютере не достаточно хорош,будем ждать на русском.
alnaqawa: Народ, извините - я совсем расхворалась - грипп, будь он трижды неладен... Вот станет полегче и начну переводить. Я даже еще не весь английский текст повесила...
julia: действительно интересно хотелось бы быть уверенной что все понято правильно.поэтому подождем перевода. кроме того хочется поздравить всех салючников и собачников снаступающим новым годом.
sergey: Света,выздоравливайте!
alnaqawa: sergey спасибо, Сергей, будем стараться! Только пока что-то очень меня развезло... Такого кашля давно не припомню... Я сегодня постараюсь хотя англ. текст до конца повесить.
alnaqawa: My next section related to performance issues in respect of obedience, tracking, agility and any other disciplines that the respondents’ salukis may have participated in. Just over half my respondents had been involved with their salukis in one or more performance disciplines. No one reported any differences between the two varieties although one commented their country of origin salukis tended to be more dedicated regardless of coat and another that their smooth was less distracted and more competitive. We then talked about hunting, open field coursing and lure chasing. Given that in many countries hunting and open field coursing is now banned, 23 respondents reported their salukis hunted mostly Jack Rabbits and Hares. Others reported their saluki hunting rabbits, squirrels, parrots, ducks, deer, woodchucks, possums as well as young children, skiers, horses and cars! Despite the ban, many report still being able to open field course but naturally not competitively, whilst others are still able to competitively course their salukis. In relation to Lure chasing 32 respondents said their salukis were involved in this activity, whilst others said they had tried it but that their salukis had not shown interest after the real thing. 17 respondents told me that their salukis were involved in both open field coursing and lure chasing. My next questions related to whether the two varieties showed any differences in degree of interest in their chosen sport, their approach, any innate ability, natural instinct versus a learned response, ability on the coursing field, agility and behaviour at the completion of a course. The consensus was that there was no difference in the two varieties in respect of degree of interest although three commented that they believe smooths are more focussed, another saying their feathered was more focussed and yet another that bitches of either coat variety are more dedicated hunters. No one believed there were any differences in the two varieties’ ability as a hunter although one respondent believed that the smooths tend to have a more innate ability. When asked whether this ability is natural or learned, most respondents believe it is a natural ability. When asked who is the better teacher, a dog or a bitch and which variety, all respondents agreed coat variety did not come into it, that it was more a dog v. bitch thing coupled with age and experience. Following the question regarding any differences in the two varieties ability on the coursing field some respondents said they thought their smooths were faster, more agile and will stalk where their feathereds would not. One noted that their smooth does not pick up mud on its feet like the feathered and another that their feathered would eat the prey she caught whereas the smooth would not be interested after the prey was despatched. Most agreed the differences described were not related to coat, more to their particular lines, family and upbringing and overall instinct. Of interest is that one of my respondents talked about the difference between the running style of a smooth on the coursing field as opposed to its feathered counterpart. This respondent is very experienced in open field coursing and described the running movement of the smooth salukis as being “porpoise like, in a wave motion” as opposed to feathereds which “lower themselves and run without the wavy motion in their back”. I decided to take this point back to all of my respondents for their thoughts. Well, the replies were very interesting. They ranged from questioning whether it was a wind-up, disbelief at such a hilarious statement, another claiming what persistent idiocy and still another lamenting that they can see in the future that a judge will talk not only about TRAD but how the exhibit had a wonderful porpoise like movement! All respondents were united in their belief that there is absolutely no difference in the running styles of the smooth and feathered saluki any such differences belonging to family group not coat. Some respondents pointed out that the Azawakh sometimes has a porpoise like running style which is due, in the main, to its build. Some claimed optical illusion, another that coupling could create a difference. Other respondents have said they have seen the porpoise like running style but in both varieties. There is varied opinion on which style is the faster. Well, I had to ask, didn’t I!!! My next series of questions related to preference, if any, of either one variety in respect of hunting, companionship or general living with. My first question related to which variety would the respondent prefer to hunt in the field with (if any). Most respondents had no preference but 18 preferred a smooth and only one said a feathered. The reasons for the preferences in respect of the smooth was because of coat, smooths suffer less from picking up burrs, brambles and rubbish in their coat and feet and are easier to clean up afterwards. The respondent who preferred a feathered saluki said it was because their feathered saluki would not let go easily and they believed they had a higher chance of catching their game. Those who had no preference simply wanted the best hunter, the one with the best prey drive and coat simply wasn’t an issue. Regarding preferences for each variety as a companion, 26 respondents said they had no preference, eight chose smooths and three wanted a feathered. The reasons for choosing a feathered were they looked better, they were more devoted, had more of an aloof character and were better therapy dogs. The reasons in regards to the smooth were they were more elegant, easy to care for, exquisite, rare, were low maintenance, a “wash and wear” dog and still a saluki, their faces being pure and unglamorized! The answers to the next question of which variety would the respondent choose to live with, the majority of respondents said they did not have a preference but it became clear that many of those that selected smooths as their preference did so because of cleanliness, lack of hair shedding and general low maintenance (no snoods, no seeds stuck in the coat, no dreadlocks behind the ears etc.). My final question in this section asked if the respondent were allowed just one saluki, which variety would they choose. I appreciate that was being very unfair but those who replied got into the spirit of things and 14 told me they would select a smooth, 8 selected a feathered and 12 said they would not choose on coat. The reasons for selecting a smooth were similar including easy care coat, elegance of the “look”, their snuggliness, more appealing to the eye and minimal grooming. Reasons given for selecting a feathered mainly related to the extra glamour of this variety and another because of tolerance of winter weather. Those that wouldn’t choose said they would select the individual, not the variety, its personality, its conformation and as one responded “But I don’t HAVE to choose”! I then turned to the theme of the symposium (Salukis: Past, Present & Future) and asked the question whether the respondents believed had there had been any changes in the two varieties over the years in respect of conformation and overall soundness. There were varying responses. Words like “fashionable”, the desire for heavy feathering, being “remodelled for the show ring”, “pretty”, having poor movement, too big, exaggeration and loss of soundness were used to describe how those respondents viewed the situation today. Many respondents believed that salukis were now being bred for the show scene rather than for their original purpose and copious feathering was mostly desired rather than correct conformation. The comments concerning smooths ranged from many believing they had improved over the years whilst others observed that they were likely to change less than their feathered counterparts due to the fact they aren’t as popular in the show ring. However, some respondents believe both varieties have improved and others believe there has been no change. I then explored whether my respondents believed that smooth salukis had gained in popularity over the years and all but two respondents replied yes to this question. The reasons given for the increased popularity of the smooth saluki ranged from people now looking beyond the hair, more of them appearing and succeeding in the show ring and on the coursing field, preservation by those breeders dedicated to the smooth, more acceptance generally, their perceived improved conformation, education and the overall greater exposure of the smooths. However, there were a number of respondents who put their increased popularity down as simply being a fad, trendiness and their currently being in vogue! My final question asked for comments on anything I may have missed in my survey that could be important. It was pointed out by some respondents that I should have asked questions relating to any differences between the western salukis and the country of origin salukis particularly with regards to behaviour differences (western v desert-bred rather than coat variety). I agree this would have been beneficial and whilst I did canvas some of my respondents concerning this point, I did not receive any replies. I think they’d had enough! Perhaps this could be the subject of a further study. Two respondents told me that their smooths have bigger “poop” than their feathereds. I laughingly told that to Graham and he told me he knew a feathered once that had huge poops compared to his smooths! So, no difference there! There were various comments in summary which included from one respondent the belief that any perceived unique qualities ascribed to smooth salukis have their basis in the bloodlines rather than coat; the observations from a saluki conformation, open field and lure coursing judge in which they have found no differences between the two varieties in any of those described events and finally the invitation to observe a wet feathered saluki and a dry smooth and spot the difference! In conclusion then, we must ask the question: “Are there any differences between a smooth saluki and a feathered saluki (apart from coat)” The answer is, as we all knew it would be from the outset, there are no differences. Both varieties are the same. It is clear that any perceived differences between the smooth and feathered saluki stem from bloodlines and family differences, upbringing, degree of socialisation as a puppy, exercise regimes and the individual personalities found in any saluki and these have absolutely nothing to do with their coat variety. Differences have been observed regarding tolerance to heat and cold but it has been agreed these are directly related to coat (or lack of it). What about the future? It is predicted that smooth salukis will increase in popularity in the future mainly due to their low maintenance. Also, it seems once a smooth has shared your life, there remains a need to have another! What did come out loud and clear, however, was the undeniable duty of all of us to preserve the saluki as a working hound and reverse the current tendency to produce salukis only for the show ring. Now, finally, let me show you an illustration of a difference that Herb Wells in America pointed out in response to my questionnaire. You will see, however, that it is directly related to coat: Carole F. Tipler Al Yaman Salukis, New Zealand 2007
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